Comments on: A good data browser allows you to navigate the knowledge space by car http://blog.semantic-web.at/2008/08/20/a-good-data-browser-allows-you-to-navigate-the-knowledge-space-by-car/ Open World Assumptions Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:31:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Semantic Puzzle | What the Semantic Web can learn from Open Hypermedia http://blog.semantic-web.at/2008/08/20/a-good-data-browser-allows-you-to-navigate-the-knowledge-space-by-car/#comment-1365 The Semantic Puzzle | What the Semantic Web can learn from Open Hypermedia Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:29:50 +0000 http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=227#comment-1365 [...] takes us right into the interface debate and, e.g., the question whether data browsers are or are not too geeky. What do you think - what would be strategies to deliver the best to be achieved with a data model [...] [...] takes us right into the interface debate and, e.g., the question whether data browsers are or are not too geeky. What do you think – what would be strategies to deliver the best to be achieved with a data model [...]

]]> By: The Semantic Puzzle | The Gap between the Web 2.0 and Semantic Web Community (tentative post) http://blog.semantic-web.at/2008/08/20/a-good-data-browser-allows-you-to-navigate-the-knowledge-space-by-car/#comment-1145 The Semantic Puzzle | The Gap between the Web 2.0 and Semantic Web Community (tentative post) Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:03:52 +0000 http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=227#comment-1145 [...] the Semantic Web interfaces are only about to become more accessible to web 2.0 people (once more, hooray for Parallax), I think a VITAL next step in promoting the Semantic Web is to find human-readable explanations of [...] [...] the Semantic Web interfaces are only about to become more accessible to web 2.0 people (once more, hooray for Parallax), I think a VITAL next step in promoting the Semantic Web is to find human-readable explanations of [...]

]]> By: Richard Cyganiak http://blog.semantic-web.at/2008/08/20/a-good-data-browser-allows-you-to-navigate-the-knowledge-space-by-car/#comment-1093 Richard Cyganiak Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:06:00 +0000 http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=227#comment-1093 Kingsley, so whom is the OpenLink Data Explorer for? Okay, it can show the data “behind” a web page. That's a powerful idea, but not very useful in itself. The usefulness comes from being able to do things with the data that were not easily possible with the data embedded in the layout of a web page. Filtering, pivoting, cross-correlating, summarizing. All the data browsers out there still have to improve a lot before they can consistently add value to the data using features like this. Of course, getting the data out of the web pages is a necessary first step, and the current crop of browsers, and especially ODE with its Sponger cartridges, have made a lot of progress towards this goal. Kingsley, so whom is the OpenLink Data Explorer for? Okay, it can show the data “behind” a web page. That’s a powerful idea, but not very useful in itself. The usefulness comes from being able to do things with the data that were not easily possible with the data embedded in the layout of a web page. Filtering, pivoting, cross-correlating, summarizing. All the data browsers out there still have to improve a lot before they can consistently add value to the data using features like this.

Of course, getting the data out of the web pages is a necessary first step, and the current crop of browsers, and especially ODE with its Sponger cartridges, have made a lot of progress towards this goal.

]]> By: Matthias Samwald http://blog.semantic-web.at/2008/08/20/a-good-data-browser-allows-you-to-navigate-the-knowledge-space-by-car/#comment-1092 Matthias Samwald Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:56:21 +0000 http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=227#comment-1092 I think in this day and age, being 'geeky' does not necessarily have negative connotations. I would not see this as a harsh criticism. I think in this day and age, being ‘geeky’ does not necessarily have negative connotations. I would not see this as a harsh criticism.

]]> By: Kingsley Idehen http://blog.semantic-web.at/2008/08/20/a-good-data-browser-allows-you-to-navigate-the-knowledge-space-by-car/#comment-1091 Kingsley Idehen Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:26:24 +0000 http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=227#comment-1091 The OpenLink Data Explorer (ODE) is not "Geeky". It is actually a very modular delivery of Linked Data interaction that "Geeks" don't seem to understand. Please read: 1. http://ode.openlinksw.com ODE is a modular Linked Data Exploration shell comprised of the following (unbeknown to most): - Cartridges for Display (Fresnel) the View component - Cartridges for Data Extraction (RDFizers) the Model component - Cartridges for Actions; the Controller component ODE at this juncture is about a modular foundation for unobtrusive exposure and interaction with Linked Data. ODE is built with knowledge from the pre Web world of Report Writing Tools, Executive Information Systems, and other Query Tools. Ironically, when David states that he is focusing on UI rather that "Web Essence" (Links) everyone seems to accept that. But when those of us working from the bottom up deliver minimal UI becuase we are trying to show what we are up to (at the core), the rules of task focus cease to apply :-( ODE is not for "Geeks" and most "Geeks" will more than likely not understand it for a while to come. The issue with Linked Data has little to do with Data Visualization (graphs have existed for eons in computing time), but everything to do with understanding the Web and delivering options that provide the user new ways of exploiting the Web. Kingsley The OpenLink Data Explorer (ODE) is not “Geeky”. It is actually a very modular delivery of Linked Data interaction that “Geeks” don’t seem to understand.

Please read:

1. http://ode.openlinksw.com

ODE is a modular Linked Data Exploration shell comprised of the following (unbeknown to most):
- Cartridges for Display (Fresnel) the View component
- Cartridges for Data Extraction (RDFizers) the Model component
- Cartridges for Actions; the Controller component

ODE at this juncture is about a modular foundation for unobtrusive exposure and interaction with Linked Data.

ODE is built with knowledge from the pre Web world of Report Writing Tools, Executive Information Systems, and other Query Tools.

Ironically, when David states that he is focusing on UI rather that “Web Essence” (Links) everyone seems to accept that. But when those of us working from the bottom up deliver minimal UI becuase we are trying to show what we are up to (at the core), the rules of task focus cease to apply :-(

ODE is not for “Geeks” and most “Geeks” will more than likely not understand it for a while to come.

The issue with Linked Data has little to do with Data Visualization (graphs have existed for eons in computing time), but everything to do with understanding the Web and delivering options that provide the user new ways of exploiting the Web.

Kingsley

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