<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: BBC Music relaunch: Linked Data goes Business?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/</link>
	<description>Open World Assumptions</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:31:59 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Music Data management project &#124; Kazaa.com &#124; SEO for Science</title>
		<link>http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/#comment-3665</link>
		<dc:creator>Music Data management project &#124; Kazaa.com &#124; SEO for Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=773#comment-3665</guid>
		<description>[...] http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/</a> [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Andreas Blumauer</title>
		<link>http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/#comment-2396</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Blumauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=773#comment-2396</guid>
		<description>Thanks Simon, your response sounds like BBC handles the Linked Data topic very responsible. This is the most sustainable way to develop such a system. You say: &quot;...in the principal that the User owns their data&quot; but on the other way you think that the most exciting thing of linked data is that they express their preferences in a machine-readable way (SIOC, FOAF). You ask for more actions &quot;...to explain to them (the users) the power of the consequences of their actions.&quot; That sounds like a logical consequence to deal with all the potential dangers in a proper way. But how do you - as a major european medium - want to deal with such a challenge? Hopefully not with yet another privacy policy, impossible to read for an average end-user...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Simon, your response sounds like BBC handles the Linked Data topic very responsible. This is the most sustainable way to develop such a system. You say: &#8220;&#8230;in the principal that the User owns their data&#8221; but on the other way you think that the most exciting thing of linked data is that they express their preferences in a machine-readable way (SIOC, FOAF). You ask for more actions &#8220;&#8230;to explain to them (the users) the power of the consequences of their actions.&#8221; That sounds like a logical consequence to deal with all the potential dangers in a proper way. But how do you &#8211; as a major european medium &#8211; want to deal with such a challenge? Hopefully not with yet another privacy policy, impossible to read for an average end-user&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Simon Cross</title>
		<link>http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/#comment-2395</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=773#comment-2395</guid>
		<description>Hi Andreas,

Matt&#039;s asked me to join in here as I&#039;m helping to build some of the new services on bbc.co.uk around &#039;socialness&#039; which will be appearing in 2009 and 2010.

We&#039;re all massive fans of linked data as I&#039;m sure you all are - and the benefits as summarised above are clear.

Where is gets really exiting, is where you begin to allow user to interact with that data in cool ways: becoming fans of artists, listening to tracks, attending events. And sharing that activity with other people across the LOD cloud. Thanks to semantic web technologies like FOAF and SIOC, we can expose that data in linked-open-data ways too. 

However, with personal activity data, and sharing such data on the web - we have to be really careful. We&#039;re strong believers in the principal that the User owns their data. They should be able to see it, share it and remove it. They should also control who they allow to see it - for example, people you trust should probably be able to see more than people you don&#039;t. 

One of our challenges with allowing users to expose their activities in LOD-style ways is to explain to them the power of the consequences of their actions. If you publish that you&#039;re a fan of something, watched something or read something - or allowed it to be automatically published - then you might have a hard time removing that data once its been crawled by any RDF client.

Publishing cool data like the guys in bbc.co.uk/music and bbc.co.uk/programmes do is just the first step - but how we deal with publishing user-activity data in these ways too is a significant challenge - one we&#039;re working hard on, and one we&#039;ll crack... with the communities help!

S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andreas,</p>
<p>Matt&#8217;s asked me to join in here as I&#8217;m helping to build some of the new services on bbc.co.uk around &#8216;socialness&#8217; which will be appearing in 2009 and 2010.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all massive fans of linked data as I&#8217;m sure you all are &#8211; and the benefits as summarised above are clear.</p>
<p>Where is gets really exiting, is where you begin to allow user to interact with that data in cool ways: becoming fans of artists, listening to tracks, attending events. And sharing that activity with other people across the LOD cloud. Thanks to semantic web technologies like FOAF and SIOC, we can expose that data in linked-open-data ways too. </p>
<p>However, with personal activity data, and sharing such data on the web &#8211; we have to be really careful. We&#8217;re strong believers in the principal that the User owns their data. They should be able to see it, share it and remove it. They should also control who they allow to see it &#8211; for example, people you trust should probably be able to see more than people you don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>One of our challenges with allowing users to expose their activities in LOD-style ways is to explain to them the power of the consequences of their actions. If you publish that you&#8217;re a fan of something, watched something or read something &#8211; or allowed it to be automatically published &#8211; then you might have a hard time removing that data once its been crawled by any RDF client.</p>
<p>Publishing cool data like the guys in bbc.co.uk/music and bbc.co.uk/programmes do is just the first step &#8211; but how we deal with publishing user-activity data in these ways too is a significant challenge &#8211; one we&#8217;re working hard on, and one we&#8217;ll crack&#8230; with the communities help!</p>
<p>S</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Andreas Blumauer</title>
		<link>http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/#comment-2393</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Blumauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=773#comment-2393</guid>
		<description>Hi Matthew,

this makes BBC and its Linked Data Initiative even more attractive! I would like to ask you for more information on this fundamental principle, because I think that your use case should become kind of a best practice for the LOD World. Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matthew,</p>
<p>this makes BBC and its Linked Data Initiative even more attractive! I would like to ask you for more information on this fundamental principle, because I think that your use case should become kind of a best practice for the LOD World. Thanks again!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Matthew Shorter</title>
		<link>http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/#comment-2392</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Shorter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=773#comment-2392</guid>
		<description>Hi Andreas, 

The short answer is that bbc.co.uk doesn&#039;t carry advertising, so this territory is basically off limits to us. The slightly longer answer, that would relate to the controversies around Phorm, is that all the ideas the BBC&#039;s currently exploring around personalisation and recommendation are informed by the fundamental principle that users should own their own data and be comprehensively informed about what&#039;s being done with it, with the ability to opt out if necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andreas, </p>
<p>The short answer is that bbc.co.uk doesn&#8217;t carry advertising, so this territory is basically off limits to us. The slightly longer answer, that would relate to the controversies around Phorm, is that all the ideas the BBC&#8217;s currently exploring around personalisation and recommendation are informed by the fundamental principle that users should own their own data and be comprehensively informed about what&#8217;s being done with it, with the ability to opt out if necessary.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Andreas Blumauer</title>
		<link>http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/#comment-2388</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Blumauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=773#comment-2388</guid>
		<description>Hi Matthew, thanks for this comment. It also shows that Linked Data isn´t a trial balloon anymore and it offers on top of new technologies also new ways to build an ecosystem around data.
I would also be interested if you @ BBC have already considered some new ways to mashup ads and your (music related) content with semantic web technologies.
Do you see any relations to the ongoing discussion about Phorm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matthew, thanks for this comment. It also shows that Linked Data isn´t a trial balloon anymore and it offers on top of new technologies also new ways to build an ecosystem around data.<br />
I would also be interested if you @ BBC have already considered some new ways to mashup ads and your (music related) content with semantic web technologies.<br />
Do you see any relations to the ongoing discussion about Phorm?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Matthew Shorter</title>
		<link>http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/#comment-2387</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Shorter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=773#comment-2387</guid>
		<description>Great to see this being picked up and covered in such enlightened quarters. @

barna: in answer to your question, we didn&#039;t really see these technologies as immature. Quite the contrary - the fact that the likes of Flickr and YouTube had already built category-killing offerings out of linked data were something of a wake-up call to us in the BBC. We were also pushed in this direction by the complexity of what we do in the music space. In order to pull together all of our disparate activity as a broadcaster, we have to have a system that was dynamic and flexible. It&#039;s also part of our public service remit as the BBC to be open to the web, both in order to support the wider ecology, and to provide useful routes into good external content for our users, and this was frankly the only sensible way to do it. Finally, we had a critical mass of visionary technologists and open-minded managers that enabled us to take on a new approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see this being picked up and covered in such enlightened quarters. @</p>
<p>barna: in answer to your question, we didn&#8217;t really see these technologies as immature. Quite the contrary &#8211; the fact that the likes of Flickr and YouTube had already built category-killing offerings out of linked data were something of a wake-up call to us in the BBC. We were also pushed in this direction by the complexity of what we do in the music space. In order to pull together all of our disparate activity as a broadcaster, we have to have a system that was dynamic and flexible. It&#8217;s also part of our public service remit as the BBC to be open to the web, both in order to support the wider ecology, and to provide useful routes into good external content for our users, and this was frankly the only sensible way to do it. Finally, we had a critical mass of visionary technologists and open-minded managers that enabled us to take on a new approach.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Linked Data &#38; the BBC Music Platform Relaunch : Victor Godot</title>
		<link>http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/#comment-2379</link>
		<dc:creator>Linked Data &#38; the BBC Music Platform Relaunch : Victor Godot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=773#comment-2379</guid>
		<description>[...] Source: Andreas Blumauer / The Semantic Puzzle [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Source: Andreas Blumauer / The Semantic Puzzle [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dutchbob</title>
		<link>http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/#comment-2368</link>
		<dc:creator>Dutchbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=773#comment-2368</guid>
		<description>@barna: One pointer is the project performed for the Oslo municipality. Completely based on open standards, partly being immature. Commercial project, actually leading to a successor project.

http://www.estc2008.com/index.php/program/program-list/48-norheim-and-engels</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@barna: One pointer is the project performed for the Oslo municipality. Completely based on open standards, partly being immature. Commercial project, actually leading to a successor project.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.estc2008.com/index.php/program/program-list/48-norheim-and-engels" rel="nofollow">http://www.estc2008.com/index.php/program/program-list/48-norheim-and-engels</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Barna</title>
		<link>http://blog.semantic-web.at/2009/04/08/bbc-music-relaunch-linked-data-goes-business/#comment-2359</link>
		<dc:creator>Barna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.semantic-web.at/?p=773#comment-2359</guid>
		<description>My question is how is someone got involved in projects like this? The question might be strange to say, but the reality is, most industrial IT projects are utilizing the same old patterns, there is little room for innovation...
I&#039;d be interested in stories where in some project it was decided to implement new technologies, which were not mature. It would be interesting to hear the concerns and the responses which led still to a new semantic implementation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is how is someone got involved in projects like this? The question might be strange to say, but the reality is, most industrial IT projects are utilizing the same old patterns, there is little room for innovation&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;d be interested in stories where in some project it was decided to implement new technologies, which were not mature. It would be interesting to hear the concerns and the responses which led still to a new semantic implementation.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

